Problem with OBJ model

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Problem with OBJ model

Hi,

I upload obj model as a normal block, but i have got purple-black texture in normal block, not custom model :/

 

LOG:

:runClient
2018-08-02 19:30:40,029 main WARN Unable to instantiate org.fusesource.jansi.WindowsAnsiOutputStream
2018-08-02 19:30:40,043 main WARN Unable to instantiate org.fusesource.jansi.WindowsAnsiOutputStream
[19:30:40] [main/INFO] [GradleStart]: Extra: []
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [GradleStart]: Running with arguments: [--userProperties, {}, --assetsDir, C:/Users/Ryszard/.mcreator/gradle/caches/minecraft/assets, --assetIndex, 1.12, --accessToken{REDACTED}, --version, 1.12.2, --tweakClass, net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLTweaker, --tweakClass, net.minecraftforge.gradle.tweakers.CoremodTweaker]
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Loading tweak class name net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Using primary tweak class name net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Loading tweak class name net.minecraftforge.gradle.tweakers.CoremodTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [FML]: Forge Mod Loader version 14.23.2.2611 for Minecraft 1.12.2 loading
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [FML]: Java is Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM, version 1.8.0_162, running on Windows 10:amd64:10.0, installed at C:\Users\Ryszard\Desktop\forge\jdk\jre
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [FML]: Managed to load a deobfuscated Minecraft name- we are in a deobfuscated environment. Skipping runtime deobfuscation
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [FML]: Ignoring missing certificate for coremod FMLCorePlugin (net.minecraftforge.fml.relauncher.FMLCorePlugin), we are in deobf and it's a forge core plugin
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [FML]: Ignoring missing certificate for coremod FMLForgePlugin (net.minecraftforge.classloading.FMLForgePlugin), we are in deobf and it's a forge core plugin
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.gradle.tweakers.CoremodTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [GradleStart]: Injecting location in coremod net.minecraftforge.fml.relauncher.FMLCorePlugin
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [GradleStart]: Injecting location in coremod net.minecraftforge.classloading.FMLForgePlugin
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Loading tweak class name net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLInjectionAndSortingTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Loading tweak class name net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLDeobfTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Loading tweak class name net.minecraftforge.gradle.tweakers.AccessTransformerTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLInjectionAndSortingTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLInjectionAndSortingTweaker
[19:30:41] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.fml.relauncher.CoreModManager$FMLPluginWrapper
2018-08-02 19:30:42,984 main WARN Unable to instantiate org.fusesource.jansi.WindowsAnsiOutputStream
2018-08-02 19:30:43,759 main WARN Unable to instantiate org.fusesource.jansi.WindowsAnsiOutputStream
2018-08-02 19:30:43,798 main WARN Unable to instantiate org.fusesource.jansi.WindowsAnsiOutputStream
[19:30:46] [main/ERROR] [FML]: FML appears to be missing any signature data. This is not a good thing
[19:30:46] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.fml.relauncher.CoreModManager$FMLPluginWrapper
[19:30:46] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.FMLDeobfTweaker
[19:30:50] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.gradle.tweakers.AccessTransformerTweaker
[19:30:50] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Loading tweak class name net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.TerminalTweaker
[19:30:50] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Calling tweak class net.minecraftforge.fml.common.launcher.TerminalTweaker
[19:30:50] [main/INFO] [LaunchWrapper]: Launching wrapped minecraft {net.minecraft.client.main.Main}
[19:30:53] [main/INFO]: Setting user: Player93
[19:31:09] [main/WARN]: Skipping bad option: lastServer:
[19:31:09] [main/INFO]: LWJGL Version: 2.9.4
[19:31:13] [main/INFO] [FML]: -- System Details --
Details:
   Minecraft Version: 1.12.2
   Operating System: Windows 10 (amd64) version 10.0
   Java Version: 1.8.0_162, Oracle Corporation
   Java VM Version: Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (mixed mode), Oracle Corporation
   Memory: 61641976 bytes (58 MB) / 337641472 bytes (322 MB) up to 928514048 bytes (885 MB)
   JVM Flags: 0 total; 
   IntCache: cache: 0, tcache: 0, allocated: 0, tallocated: 0
   FML: 
   Loaded coremods (and transformers): 
   GL info: ' Vendor: 'Intel' Version: '4.0.0 - Build 10.18.10.4276' Renderer: 'Intel(R) HD Graphics'
[19:31:13] [main/INFO] [FML]: MinecraftForge v14.23.2.2611 Initialized
[19:31:14] [main/INFO] [FML]: Starts to replace vanilla recipe ingredients with ore ingredients.
[19:31:15] [main/INFO] [FML]: Replaced 1036 ore ingredients
[19:31:18] [main/INFO] [FML]: Found 0 mods from the command line. Injecting into mod discoverer
[19:31:18] [main/INFO] [FML]: Searching C:\Users\Ryszard\Desktop\forge\forge\run\mods for mods
[19:31:20] [Thread-3/INFO] [FML]: Using alternative sync timing : 200 frames of Display.update took 1045301683 nanos
[19:31:24] [main/INFO] [testenvironmentmod]: Mod testenvironmentmod is missing the required element 'name'. Substituting testenvironmentmod
[19:31:24] [main/INFO] [FML]: Forge Mod Loader has identified 5 mods to load
[19:31:26] [main/INFO] [FML]: Attempting connection with missing mods [minecraft, mcp, FML, forge, testenvironmentmod] at CLIENT
[19:31:26] [main/INFO] [FML]: Attempting connection with missing mods [minecraft, mcp, FML, forge, testenvironmentmod] at SERVER
[19:31:29] [main/INFO]: Reloading ResourceManager: Default, FMLFileResourcePack:Forge Mod Loader, FMLFileResourcePack:Minecraft Forge, FMLFileResourcePack:testenvironmentmod
[19:31:29] [main/INFO] [FML]: Processing ObjectHolder annotations
[19:31:29] [main/INFO] [FML]: Found 1168 ObjectHolder annotations
[19:31:29] [main/INFO] [FML]: Identifying ItemStackHolder annotations
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Found 0 ItemStackHolder annotations
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Configured a dormant chunk cache size of 0
[19:31:30] [Forge Version Check/INFO] [ForgeVersionCheck]: [forge] Starting version check at http://files.minecraftforge.net/maven/net/minecraftforge/forge/promotio…
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: OBJLoader: Domain testenvironmentmod has been added.
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Applying holder lookups
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Holder lookups applied
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Applying holder lookups
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Holder lookups applied
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Applying holder lookups
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Holder lookups applied
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Applying holder lookups
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Holder lookups applied
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Injecting itemstacks
[19:31:30] [main/INFO] [FML]: Itemstack injection complete
[19:31:34] [Forge Version Check/INFO] [ForgeVersionCheck]: [forge] Found status: OUTDATED Target: 14.23.4.2705
[19:31:42] [Sound Library Loader/INFO]: Starting up SoundSystem...
[19:31:42] [Thread-5/INFO]: Initializing LWJGL OpenAL
[19:31:42] [Thread-5/INFO]: (The LWJGL binding of OpenAL.  For more information, see http://www.lwjgl.org)
[19:31:43] [Thread-5/INFO]: OpenAL initialized.
[19:31:43] [Sound Library Loader/INFO]: Sound engine started
[19:32:00] [main/INFO] [FML]: Max texture size: 8192
[19:32:02] [main/INFO]: Created: 512x512 textures-atlas
[19:32:07] [main/ERROR] [FML]: Exception loading model for variant testenvironmentmod:ss#normal for blockstate "testenvironmentmod:ss"
net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoaderRegistry$LoaderException: Exception loading model testenvironmentmod:ss#normal with loader VariantLoader.INSTANCE, skipping
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoaderRegistry.getModel(ModelLoaderRegistry.java:153) ~[ModelLoaderRegistry.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoader.registerVariant(ModelLoader.java:248) ~[ModelLoader.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.renderer.block.model.ModelBakery.loadBlock(ModelBakery.java:153) ~[ModelBakery.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoader.loadBlocks(ModelLoader.java:236) ~[ModelLoader.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoader.setupModelRegistry(ModelLoader.java:163) ~[ModelLoader.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.renderer.block.model.ModelManager.onResourceManagerReload(ModelManager.java:28) [ModelManager.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.resources.SimpleReloadableResourceManager.registerReloadListener(SimpleReloadableResourceManager.java:121) [SimpleReloadableResourceManager.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.init(Minecraft.java:559) [Minecraft.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(Minecraft.java:421) [Minecraft.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.main.Main.main(Main.java:118) [Main.class:?]
   at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) ~[?:1.8.0_162]
   at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:62) ~[?:1.8.0_162]
   at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43) ~[?:1.8.0_162]
   at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:498) ~[?:1.8.0_162]
   at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.Launch.launch(Launch.java:135) [launchwrapper-1.12.jar:?]
   at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.Launch.main(Launch.java:28) [launchwrapper-1.12.jar:?]
   at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) ~[?:1.8.0_162]
   at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:62) ~[?:1.8.0_162]
   at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43) ~[?:1.8.0_162]
   at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:498) ~[?:1.8.0_162]
   at net.minecraftforge.gradle.GradleStartCommon.launch(GradleStartCommon.java:97) [start/:?]
   at GradleStart.main(GradleStart.java:25) [start/:?]
Caused by: net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoaderRegistry$LoaderException: Exception loading model testenvironmentmod:block/oro.obj with loader INSTANCE, skipping
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoaderRegistry.getModel(ModelLoaderRegistry.java:153) ~[ModelLoaderRegistry.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoader$WeightedRandomModel.(ModelLoader.java:677) ~[ModelLoader$WeightedRandomModel.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoader$VariantLoader.loadModel(ModelLoader.java:1190) ~[ModelLoader$VariantLoader.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoaderRegistry.getModel(ModelLoaderRegistry.java:149) ~[ModelLoaderRegistry.class:?]
   ... 21 more
Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: testenvironmentmod:models/item/oro.obj
   at net.minecraft.client.resources.FallbackResourceManager.getResource(FallbackResourceManager.java:69) ~[FallbackResourceManager.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.resources.SimpleReloadableResourceManager.getResource(SimpleReloadableResourceManager.java:65) ~[SimpleReloadableResourceManager.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.obj.OBJLoader.loadModel(OBJLoader.java:85) ~[OBJLoader.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoaderRegistry.getModel(ModelLoaderRegistry.java:149) ~[ModelLoaderRegistry.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoader$WeightedRandomModel.(ModelLoader.java:677) ~[ModelLoader$WeightedRandomModel.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoader$VariantLoader.loadModel(ModelLoader.java:1190) ~[ModelLoader$VariantLoader.class:?]
   at net.minecraftforge.client.model.ModelLoaderRegistry.getModel(ModelLoaderRegistry.java:149) ~[ModelLoaderRegistry.class:?]
   ... 21 more
[19:32:11] [main/INFO] [FML]: Applying holder lookups
[19:32:12] [main/INFO] [FML]: Holder lookups applied
[19:32:12] [main/INFO] [FML]: Injecting itemstacks
[19:32:12] [main/INFO] [FML]: Itemstack injection complete
[19:32:13] [main/INFO] [FML]: Forge Mod Loader has successfully loaded 5 mods
[19:32:13] [main/WARN]: Skipping bad option: lastServer:
[19:32:13] [main/INFO]: Narrator library for x64 successfully loaded
[19:32:25] [Realms Notification Availability checker #1/INFO]: Could not authorize you against Realms server: Invalid session id
[19:33:14] [Server thread/INFO]: Starting integrated minecraft server version 1.12.2
[19:33:14] [Server thread/INFO]: Generating keypair
[19:33:15] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Injecting existing registry data into this server instance
[19:33:15] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Registry Block: Found a missing id from the world testenvironmentmod:oro
[19:33:15] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Registry Block: Found a missing id from the world testenvironmentmod:orz1
[19:33:15] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Registry Item: Found a missing id from the world testenvironmentmod:oro
[19:33:15] [Server thread/ERROR] [FML]: Unidentified mapping from registry minecraft:blocks
[19:33:15] [Server thread/ERROR] [FML]:     testenvironmentmod:oro: 254
[19:33:15] [Server thread/ERROR] [FML]: Unidentified mapping from registry minecraft:items
[19:33:15] [Server thread/ERROR] [FML]:     testenvironmentmod:oro: 4097
[19:33:45] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: World backup created at C:\Users\Ryszard\Desktop\forge\forge\run\saves\New World-20180802-193344.zip.
[19:33:45] [Server thread/ERROR] [FML]: There are unidentified mappings in this world - we are going to attempt to process anyway
[19:33:45] [Server thread/WARN] [FML]: Registry Block: Object did not get ID it asked for. Name: testenvironmentmod:ss Expected: 253 Got: 256
[19:33:46] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Applying holder lookups
[19:33:46] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Holder lookups applied
[19:33:47] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Loading dimension 0 (New World) (net.minecraft.server.integrated.IntegratedServer@51e5657e)
[19:33:48] [Server thread/INFO]: Loaded 488 advancements
[19:33:48] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Loading dimension 1 (New World) (net.minecraft.server.integrated.IntegratedServer@51e5657e)
[19:33:48] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Loading dimension -1 (New World) (net.minecraft.server.integrated.IntegratedServer@51e5657e)
[19:33:48] [Server thread/INFO]: Preparing start region for level 0
[19:33:50] [Server thread/INFO]: Preparing spawn area: 33%
[19:33:51] [Server thread/INFO]: Changing view distance to 2, from 10
[19:33:55] [Netty Local Client IO #0/INFO] [FML]: Server protocol version 2
[19:33:55] [Netty Server IO #1/INFO] [FML]: Client protocol version 2
[19:33:55] [Netty Server IO #1/INFO] [FML]: Client attempting to join with 5 mods : minecraft@1.12.2,FML@8.0.99.99,testenvironmentmod@1.0,forge@14.23.2.2611,mcp@9.42
[19:33:55] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: [Server thread] Server side modded connection established
[19:33:55] [Netty Local Client IO #0/INFO] [FML]: [Netty Local Client IO #0] Client side modded connection established
[19:33:55] [Server thread/INFO]: Player93[local:E:acc3c79a] logged in with entity id 49 at (-1773.820660131327, 4.0, -1118.571695666772)
[19:33:55] [Server thread/INFO]: Player93 joined the game
[19:33:59] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving and pausing game...
[19:34:00] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/overworld
[19:34:03] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/the_nether
[19:34:03] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/the_end
[19:34:03] [Server thread/WARN]: Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded? Running 5931ms behind, skipping 118 tick(s)
[19:34:04] [pool-2-thread-1/WARN]: Couldn't look up profile properties for com.mojang.authlib.GameProfile@5b2ea89d[id=04ba6478-628e-32a2-915d-0b45ca8b366b,name=Player93,properties={},legacy=false]
com.mojang.authlib.exceptions.AuthenticationException: The client has sent too many requests within a certain amount of time
   at com.mojang.authlib.yggdrasil.YggdrasilAuthenticationService.makeRequest(YggdrasilAuthenticationService.java:79) ~[YggdrasilAuthenticationService.class:?]
   at com.mojang.authlib.yggdrasil.YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService.fillGameProfile(YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService.java:180) [YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService.class:?]
   at com.mojang.authlib.yggdrasil.YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService$1.load(YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService.java:60) [YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService$1.class:?]
   at com.mojang.authlib.yggdrasil.YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService$1.load(YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService.java:57) [YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService$1.class:?]
   at com.google.common.cache.LocalCache$LoadingValueReference.loadFuture(LocalCache.java:3716) [guava-21.0.jar:?]
   at com.google.common.cache.LocalCache$Segment.loadSync(LocalCache.java:2424) [guava-21.0.jar:?]
   at com.google.common.cache.LocalCache$Segment.lockedGetOrLoad(LocalCache.java:2298) [guava-21.0.jar:?]
   at com.google.common.cache.LocalCache$Segment.get(LocalCache.java:2211) [guava-21.0.jar:?]
   at com.google.common.cache.LocalCache.get(LocalCache.java:4154) [guava-21.0.jar:?]
   at com.google.common.cache.LocalCache.getOrLoad(LocalCache.java:4158) [guava-21.0.jar:?]
   at com.google.common.cache.LocalCache$LocalLoadingCache.get(LocalCache.java:5147) [guava-21.0.jar:?]
   at com.google.common.cache.LocalCache$LocalLoadingCache.getUnchecked(LocalCache.java:5153) [guava-21.0.jar:?]
   at com.mojang.authlib.yggdrasil.YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService.fillProfileProperties(YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService.java:170) [YggdrasilMinecraftSessionService.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.getProfileProperties(Minecraft.java:3188) [Minecraft.class:?]
   at net.minecraft.client.resources.SkinManager$3.run(SkinManager.java:138) [SkinManager$3.class:?]
   at java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:511) [?:1.8.0_162]
   at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:266) [?:1.8.0_162]
   at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1149) [?:1.8.0_162]
   at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:624) [?:1.8.0_162]
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748) [?:1.8.0_162]
[19:34:06] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving and pausing game...
[19:34:06] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/overworld
[19:34:07] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/the_nether
[19:34:07] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/the_end
[19:34:20] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving and pausing game...
[19:34:20] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/overworld
[19:34:20] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/the_nether
[19:34:20] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/the_end
[19:34:21] [main/INFO]: Stopping!
[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO]: Stopping server
[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving players
[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving worlds
[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'New World'/overworld
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[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Unloading dimension 0
[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Unloading dimension -1
[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Unloading dimension 1
[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Applying holder lookups
[19:34:21] [Server thread/INFO] [FML]: Holder lookups applied
[19:34:22] [main/INFO]: SoundSystem shutting down...
[19:34:22] [main/WARN]: Author: Paul Lamb, www.paulscode.com
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Total time: 5 mins 30.505 secs
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Same for me, use .json
Sun, 08/05/2018 - 16:15

Same for me, use .json

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I have the even problem!
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 13:10

I have the even problem!

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OBJ is pretty glitchy and…
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 15:01

OBJ is pretty glitchy and confusing. Just use JSON in the future